When was jesus really born wikipedia

Despite this story having evolved into shades of King Arthur and his legendary knights on their quest to find the holy relic, there has never been any record of a shrine marking the exact spot of the grave. Another variation on this theme mentions that Joseph buried the Holy Grail underneath Glastonbury Tor, said to be the entrance to the underworld and where a natural spring, the 'Chalice Well' began flowing.

These waters were believed to bring eternal youth to whoever drank from them. One of the most intriguing of stories relating to Joseph of Arimathea and one seen as a recent invention is that as he was a tin merchant by trade he brought the young Jesus with him on a trading voyage to south-west Britain and Cornwall where tin was abundant. The story may have originated from the English author Reverend Sabine Baring-Gould, who introduced it in his book of Cornwall.

By the time it reached its final edition in the Apostolic Church of Britain had expanded the story to around two hundred pages with a claim that Glastonbury was the burial place of the Virgin Mary. Notovitch gave an account explaining that during the trip he had broken his leg and was forced to convalesce in a remote monastery at Hemis in the highlands of Ladakh, India.

It was written in the language of the Pali Indo-Aryan language in two big volumes in cardboard covers with leaves yellowed by the lapse of time. According to the text Jesus left Judea at the age of 13 and set out on an epic journey of self-enlightenment through studying other religions. Notovitch wrote that Jesus German-born philologist Max Muller stated at the time that either the monks at the monastery played a joke on the Russian author, or he had invented the entire story for money and faked the ancient manuscript.

Muller even wrote to the Head Lama at the monastery where Notovitch alleged he stayed after injury and received a reply stating that there had been no western visitors at the monastery in the last fifteen years and that there were no ancient documents like the one described by the author.

Shortly afterwards J. After Notovitch had visited Hemis monastery and claimed to have seen a document proving Jesus had stayed there, no material evidence was found to corroborate his claim, such as a photograph of the mysterious manuscript itself.

Notovitch went to some lengths in the preface of his book to explain why none were included. Further damning evidence against Notovitch was recently discovered in a contemporary report held in archives of the British Library written by a Russian speaking British official, Donald Mackenzie Wallace.

Read more about: Ancient History Ides of March: debunking the myths. One angle to scrutinise claims that Jesus as a teenager embarked on an epic journey by foot to other continents is to look at the travelling practicalities of the day and the realities of reaching a country over inhospitable terrain and at times unsurpassable routes.

According to The New Testament, the principal locations for the ministry undertaken by Jesus were Galilee and Judea, with activities also taking place in surrounding areas such as Peres and Samaria. He has risen! He is not here. See the place where they laid him. The oldest surviving fragment of John is dated to A. The oldest surviving complete copy of the New Testament dates to A. Other ancient books typically have much longer gaps between composition and our earliest copies.

Almost all can be explained by some type of unintentional scribal mistake, such as poor eyesight. Very few variants are contested among scholars, and few or none of the contested variants carry any theological significance. Modern biblical translations reflect this scholarly consensus where the variants exist, while the disputed variants are typically noted as such in the translations. Blood and water came out, consistent with the spear rupturing the pericardial sac that surrounds the heart.

Edwards et al. The disciples were unlikely to be lying about seeing the risen Jesus The apostles had little incentive to lie Why do people consciously lie? Recanting may have saved his life. An apostle who saw that other apostles were being killed because of their faith would have been strongly tempted to leave the Christian community None of the apostles recanted their story But could there be no record of recantation because there was a cover-up by the church?

Probably not. But at the time, the testimony of a woman was not admissible in Jewish courts. As Christian numbers increased and their customs prevailed, the celebrations took on a Christian observance. In fact, for more than years, people observed the birth of Jesus on various dates.

In the year AD, solstice fell on 25th December. Thank you for posting this information out for others to read. At the time I had a Christian friend who discovered his mother was Jewish, and he began paying a lot of attention to calendars, practices, festivals, and more. It served me well to pay attention to what we can learn from putting our attention on facts, rather than on beliefs.

Proximity to a festival might also explain why the guest room was already taken up although there could of course be any number of reasons for that, not least the census. There has been a little debate about the historical climate of Bethlehem and Jerusalem with some suggesting that two thousands years ago was similar to today, others arguing that it was wetter and milder.

But even if there was some frost and snow in winter, as Bethlehem can experience today, I wonder what would have happened to the sheep. Do we have any evidence that they were kept somewhere else in winter than in summer? Thomas, to take your questions in reverse order, there does seem to be evidence of sheep being taken into winter shelters in Roman practice. The notion that the eighth division took place in October is based on the citation of a German work from !

In the Bablylonian Talmud, it was argued on theological grounds that the destruction of the temple happened on the same day on the two occasions, the ninth of AV.

The division on duty was that of Jehioiarib, which is the first division. I have to say that that is pretty flimsy logic; I am not sure there is any supporting evidence to suggest that the ecclesiastical year ever began then. Surely if we can tie down the return of Christ to a festival and I recognise the flaws in attempting such a thing , it must be the Feast of Trumpets. Thanks Chris. At the end of the day other than fulfilling a need to show oneself to be smarter than everyone else what does it matter?

Those who do not believe will continue to glom onto the thought that the story of Jesus is made up, thus saturnalia comes in. Those who question will not accept the stated facts of the story as one respondent above wants to think this explains the extra room being filled. No matter that the story explains that already. Is this not one of those areas in which we should be able to give great grace to one another and not act as though we possess the divine inspiration?

First, this discussion has mostly been driven by those who staunchly defend the traditional date. Thirdly, it is remarkable that we can have the possibility of knowing at this level of details—thanks to Jewish obsession with calendars. And, fourthly, you would be amazed to find out how many people find this kind of historical details fascinating. Ian, you say you know of no grounds for defending the traditional date.

Just saying. All the arguments that have been unearthed in the threads above are based on one argument from a Talmudic source about the timing of the divisions. But this is not really supported with evidence, and goes quite against what we do know about the ecclesiastical year. I almost suggested something like this as a guest blog. Nice and to the point. It looks like you switched the East and West dates at the beginning thus why Russia still celebrates Christmas on January 7.

But it is based on the notion that heroes died on the day they were conceived, and that a woman gives birth nine months to the day after conception. I am not sure it tells us more than the early belief in these two realities.

I always thought the reason that the Russians celebrate Christmas on the 7th January of the Gregorian calendar is that this is the 25th December of the Julian calendar and why the October revolution of was in November of the Gregorian calendar. Thank you. I do enjoy this matter and I am a firm believer by mere instinct in the December 25th date. The objections generally made rest on grounds, which seem to me historically untenable. I have a feeling however that the truth is out there….

This is really frustrating! Even though he agrees with me on a September date. In the height of summer desert winds they cry. Earth was dry and barren sun baked from on high. Sands were shifting, sand on sand, sand on sand. In the height of summer, in that Holy Land. I also came to the conclusion that Jesus was born in September, at Succoth, based on a Bible study of 1 Chronicles For me, it ticks all the boxes, viewed from the perspective of the Old Testament and Hebrew calendar, the Feasts of the Lord.

It might work well if he was; but why is that necessary? Ian, many thanks for this thoughtful and careful explanation. Yes, that is correct. He concludes from this that it was indeed miraculous. I guess you could. During this time, Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead, confronted moneychangers and merchants in the temple, and debated with the high priests who questioned Jesus's authority.

He told his disciples about the coming days and that Jerusalem's temple would be destroyed. Meanwhile, the chief priests and elders met with high priest Caiaphas, and set plans in motion to arrest Jesus.

One of the disciples, Judas, met with the chief priests and told them how he would deliver Jesus to them. They agreed to pay him 30 pieces of silver. Jesus and his 12 disciples met for the Passover meal, and he gave them his final words of faith.

He also foretold of his betrayal by one of the disciples and privately let Judas know it was he. Jesus told Peter that before a rooster crowed the next morning, he would have denied knowing Jesus three times. At the end of the meal, Jesus instituted the Eucharist, which in the Christian religion, signifies the covenant between God and humans. Jesus asked God if this cup his suffering and death might pass by him.

He implored a group of his disciples to pray with him, but they kept falling asleep. Then the time had come. Soldiers and officials appeared, and Judas was with them. He gave Jesus a kiss on the cheek to identify him and the soldiers arrested Jesus.

One disciple tried to resist the arrest, brandished his sword and cut the ear off one of the soldiers. But Jesus admonished him and healed the soldier's wound. After his arrest, many of the disciples went into hiding.

Jesus was taken to the high priest and interrogated. He was hit and spat upon for not responding. Meanwhile, Peter had followed Jesus to the high priests' court.

As he hid in the shadows, three house servants asked if he was one of Jesus' disciples and each time he denied it. After each denial, a rooster crowed. Then Jesus was led out of the house and looked directly at Peter. Peter remembered how Jesus had told him he would deny him and he wept bitterly.

Judas, who was watching from a distance, became distraught by his betrayal of Jesus and attempted to return the 30 pieces of silver. The priests told him his guilt was his own. He threw the coins into the temple and later hanged himself. The next day, Jesus was taken to the high court where he was mocked, beaten and condemned for claiming to be the Son of God.